One of them made a comment to someone on our side;
"You have your beliefs; we have ours!"
Can you freeking believe it?
Ok, stupid question...
But for shit's sake! Beliefs? How they think they can argue with science is beyond me. They have been presented with the facts but I guess it is easier to believe fiction? Shorter neuron pathway? Someone is short a few synapses but I won't mention any names..
Anyway if you feel like you need an aneurysm here is a link to the Hansard.
Hansard for May 9, 2012 sub committee final meeting.
Bill 16 has now passed without any amendments and available for third reading. Unfortunately McGuinty holds the cards as to whether the Bill will be called for third.
Here is what you can do;
Set up an appointment to meet with your MPP and explain to them why you want Bill 16 to be called for third reading, regardless of party. The PC's and NDP's need to hear from you too so this becomes of importance.
Second choice send a fax to your MPP and all people listed below.
Third choice send an email to your MPP and all people listed below.
Go often to www.bringbackthebulls.com and send an email through the site to;
Your MPP no matter the party and let them know you want Bill 16 to be called for third.
Fax and Email Dalton McGuinty and let him know as well. Fax 613-736-7374 and 416-325-3745
Fax and Email John Milloy. He is the Liberal House Leader and participates in the decision as well. Fax 416-325-5191
Fax and Email Dwight Duncan. He is the Deputy Premier. Fax 519-251-5299
If you want to show some love for the committee members please do so. Their participation is over but you may demonstrate how you feel about reading through Hansard and their participation in committee..
Lorenzo Berardinetti fax 416-494-9937
Michael Coteau fax 416-494-9937
Vic Dhillon fax 905-796-8069
Mario Sergio fax 416-743-3292
The MPP's that signed on to Bill 16 to bring it forward as a tri party Bill are;
I am sure they would all appreciate a note of encouragement.
Here is a handy list of all MPP's contact information.
Here is a handy list of email addresses for all MPP's in text form.
Happy faxing and emailing...
Don't give up! Together we can be a collective pain in the ass and get this brought up for third reading. We need EVERYONE to participate! Apparently they do not listen to reason nor are most Ontario Liberals capable of rational thought process so time to bug..
There is one last point I would like to make.
There were 3 Liberals that voted in our favour at second reading. A quick note to thank them and encourage them to help bring Bill 16 for third reading and ask for their continued support.
They have their beliefs???? Regardless of the facts, regardless of science?ReplyDelete
We're fighting a cult, not a government.
This is absolutely terrifying. Who exactly said that?
i think we NEED TO KNOW you said that!Delete
(and before anyone gets up in arms... yes... posted as anonymous is asking for someone to name names... but i'm not an elected official.)
It was Michael Coteau who said "You have your beliefs, we have ours".. See Fran's post below. It was Fran he said it to. I assume that is what you are referring to?Delete
Excellent! Have emailed several of the individuals you cited AND asked for an appointment with Lorenzo Bonehead (but as I have had telephone conversations before re: this issue with his office, not sanguine about the outcome). My question - who has a package all ready for me to bring to them? I am crunched for time due to various things happening in my life and if someone already has fact sheets sorted into something that I can bring, woudl love a copyReplyDelete
The MPP quoted for having his beliefs (about BILL 16) was MPP Michael Coteau and his statement occurred just outside of committee meeting 1 when meeting # 3 finished. For those who do not know; MPP Coteau is a person of colour. I personally do NOT believe WHAT Mr. Coteau said for ONE minute. Coteau would know black history. He would KNOW how terrible people were treated based on skin colour and as testimonies occurred at the meetings about the discrimination and profiling people have been subjected to since the ban based on their family pet's appearance, one would think HE would "GET" why the fight for Bill 16.ReplyDelete
My knees actually buckled under as when "looking" at Coteau he spoke of HIS beliefs. I didn't believe him then and I don't believe him now. MY belief is his family and friends would be appalled for the stance he took on Bill 16 if they really realized what it was. It is obvious to me,for the sake of popularity power and perks within the Liberal party, he has sold his soul to the devil.
I agree with you 100% Fran I just wrote to him and quoted you as well as my own touch! Here it is..... Nathalie Gamache wroteDelete
You quoted for having your beliefs (about BILL 16). Your statement occurred just outside of committee meeting 1 when meeting # 3 finished. Obviously Mr. Coteau you are a person of colour. I personally do NOT believe WHAT you said for ONE minute. One would think you would know black history. YOU should KNOW how terrible people were treated based on skin colour and as testimonies occurred at the meetings about the discrimination and profiling people have been subjected to since the ban based on their family pet's appearance, one would think YOU would "GET" why the fight for Bill 16.
My knees actually buckled under as when "looking" at YOU Mr. Coteau as you spoke of YOUR beliefs. I didn't believe you then and I don't believe you now. MY belief is your family and friends would be appalled for the stance YOU took on Bill 16 if they really realized what it was. It is obvious to me,for the sake of popularity power and perks within the Liberal party, YOU Mr. Coteau have sold your soul to the devil. May God have mercy on your soul. It is NEVER too late to repent to feel such sorrow for sin as to be disposed to change one's life for the better; be penitent.
That is ridiculous what you wrote involving skin colour and religious nonsense. Way to make us pitbull nutters sound even more crazy. :(Delete
It shows just how intelligent they are...but the problem is if one of the Liberals supported it they'd be subbed out just like the rest of the ones that did support itReplyDelete
Re: Selkie, I am not sure what we could provide you with in the form of a package that hasn't already been presented to them? Berardinetti sat on committee. He was there so if he wasn't paying attention, maybe a good tongue lashing, slap upside the head and link to read back through Hansard? All kidding aside, I'll work on something for you. Please email me privately. firstname.lastname@example.orgReplyDelete
Any possibility one of us could come with you?
I am sure that this stance surprises no one. Liberal MPP's are afraid to have an original thought, if they did they would lose their position. After all we can't disagree with King McGuinty without someone shouting "off with his head!"ReplyDelete
I've had five of the email addresses fail so far. Hopefully that will be the end of it. Sent nice thank you's to the three members who brought forth the bill and thank you/further encouragement to the liberals that voted with their brains instead of the careers. They are truly representing their electorate.ReplyDelete
Jenn send your messages through the bring back the bulls site. It will be automatically sent to the MPP of choiceReplyDelete
Please remind the Liberals they are entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts.ReplyDelete
A subjective fallacy confuses subjective and objective arguments. This is the fallacy we call out when we remind people that they have the right to their own opinions, but not their own facts.